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Gonna try my hand at growing some trees...

PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 11:42 pm
by e_smith06
I have a few questions...

1. I've had some persimmon seeds in the fridge now for about a year... meant to plant them last spring and forgot all about them. Are they still OK? I know they have to be stratified at less than 40* for like 90 days - so I would think they are still ok but i don't know...

2. With the lack of hardwoods on my family land, I would like to plant some oaks. I probably won't get to reap the benefits of hunting under an acorn tree, but my future kids might. I've got a water oak in my backyard that literally produces billions of acorns. How should I start them off?

Thanks in advance!

Re: Gonna try my hand at growing some trees...

PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 9:52 am
by gtk
I don't know how old you are, but throw in some sawtooth's and you will be seeing acorns in 9-10 years..

Re: Gonna try my hand at growing some trees...

PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 10:29 am
by e_smith06
I guess if I bought some seedlings, that would save a year also..

Re: Gonna try my hand at growing some trees...

PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 10:45 am
by brewer03
yep E seedlings of sawtooths and you could be seeing them drop acorns in about 10 years... the persimmons are hard to get started. My wife was able to get 10 started out of 100 or so... She took some fine sandpaper on the last batch of 20 and lightly scuffed em up... she started them in 1 gallon plastic pots and of the 10 when we transplanted them 6 have made it through the last five years.... She told me it would be easier to go to a local nursery and by them already started

Re: Gonna try my hand at growing some trees...

PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 10:45 am
by brewer03
yep E seedlings of sawtooths and you could be seeing them drop acorns in about 10 years... the persimmons are hard to get started. My wife was able to get 10 started out of 100 or so... She took some fine sandpaper on the last batch of 20 and lightly scuffed em up... she started them in 1 gallon plastic pots and of the 10 when we transplanted them 6 have made it through the last five years.... She told me it would be easier to go to a local nursery and by them already started

Re: Gonna try my hand at growing some trees...

PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 10:54 am
by flipper
brewer03 wrote:yep E seedlings of sawtooths and you could be seeing them drop acorns in about 10 years... the persimmons are hard to get started. My wife was able to get 10 started out of 100 or so... She took some fine sandpaper on the last batch of 20 and lightly scuffed em up... she started them in 1 gallon plastic pots and of the 10 when we transplanted them 6 have made it through the last five years.... She told me it would be easier to go to a local nursery and by them already started


And they seem to grow so easily in the wild. We have quite a few up and down our fence rows.

Re: Gonna try my hand at growing some trees...

PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 10:56 am
by brewer03
flipper those that grow in the wild have passed through an animals digestive system and apparently that removes some kind of coating that is on the seeds.....

Re: Gonna try my hand at growing some trees...

PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:52 pm
by Bullie
brewer03 wrote:flipper those that grow in the wild have passed through an animals digestive system and apparently that removes some kind of coating that is on the seeds.....


This is 100% true. You would have a far better germination percentage if you swallowed the seeds first and then planted them.

Re: Gonna try my hand at growing some trees...

PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 2:28 pm
by e_smith06
Lol!

Re: Gonna try my hand at growing some trees...

PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 3:42 pm
by jbullard1
If you want simmon sprouts come here and dig them up next fall I have already mowed them down this year. I'll flag some for you

Re: Gonna try my hand at growing some trees...

PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 5:35 pm
by e_smith06
jbullard1 wrote:If you want simmon sprouts come here and dig them up next fall I have already mowed them down this year. I'll flag some for you

Reckon either one of us will remember this next fall? Lol

Re: Gonna try my hand at growing some trees...

PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 8:30 pm
by huntall
Look up advantage forestry website out of Alabama. They have bare root trees in just about any kind you need including persimmon. I have planted trees from them including live oak, water oak, nuttall oak, sawtooth, and dwarf chinkipin. They ship to your house in January. You have to call now to reserve your order.

I have also grown a few hundred oaks from acorns in 3gal pots. I plant in pot in Feb-march and plant on my land in fall or next spring and get 2-3 ft growt that way.
If you decide to plant some acorns just get the acorns, and put them in Ziploc
and put in frig(not in freezer)
Keep them in frig untill Feb -march and when they start to sprout plant them out in a pot
If they are not sprouted in march take out of frig at room temp.
Do not let acorns dry out in storage.
Good luck, and if you have any questions just send me a pm.

Re: Gonna try my hand at growing some trees...

PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 4:32 pm
by e_smith06
Thanks for the info, all.

I've been doing some research, and I think I want to plant 2 small "orchards" of
Persimmon, Chinkapin Oak, and Sawtooth Oak. This combo should have acorns from the first of Oct with the Persimmons ripening and falling into mid-November. Being that our family land is predominantly Pine trees, if all goes well, in 5-10 years, these orchards should be excellent bow hunting locations.

With the "rapid-mast" system in Mossy Oak Native Nursery, the Chinkapins should produce mast in as early as 2-3 years. The sawtooths in 5-6, and the Persimmons in 5-6 years.

Huntall, can these 10" seedlings be planted now? Or should I wait until early spring?

Re: Gonna try my hand at growing some trees...

PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 7:09 pm
by huntall
The rapid mast trees from Native nursery is container trees so they can be planted now.
Now is actually the best time to plant containe trees, because it let's the roots get set in and growing before the next summers drought and heat.

This time a year planting gets in the way of hunting so most people wait till January-February. If I waited I'd do it as early January as possible.

Of course bare root would be planted January.
Look up plumb creek website. They sell bareroot trees in small quantities.
Good luck!