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Accuracy from Barnes

PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 7:10 pm
by White Oak 06
I was looking on the you tube about hand loading and I came across this video about Barnes bullets spinning inside the casings, (loose) So I pulled out the factory rounds that I bought for 708, 270, and my 3006 , the 708 rounds spins the worst !

CAN THIS EFFECT ACCURACY ?
No other rounds that I have don't spin,
rems.hornady, nosler federal or winchester.

Re: Accuracy from Barnes

PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:37 am
by gtk
i have never heard of this? Do you have links? I'd be interested to read about it.. I would think it would have to be an issue with your reloading dies

Re: Accuracy from Barnes

PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:53 am
by White Oak 06
I don't reload, these are store bought.
I'll have to figure out how get you the link.

Re: Accuracy from Barnes

PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 8:08 am
by stickers
I have never had a single one do this either. But I have never bought a box of Barnes factory loads. I would call them and I bet they will make it right. Do they all spin or just a few ? Sounds like to me they didnt properly neck down the 308 case to 7mm or either they are seating the bullet too deep in the neck. It could be too long also but not with a factory load. But I would be willing to bet a case neck problem. Obviously they dont put a crimp(which is no big deal) with it spinning Either way, call them . They have been very helpful when I have had handloading questions thru the years. Let us know what they say.

Didnt think about this earlier but it could be "soft brass" also especially if it is virgin brass and not hardened yet. Either way factory loads should not do that.

Re: Accuracy from Barnes

PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 8:19 am
by White Oak 06
Gtk, I sent you an email mail. I don't know how paste links from phones.

Re: Accuracy from Barnes

PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 8:23 am
by White Oak 06

Re: Accuracy from Barnes

PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 8:32 am
by White Oak 06
I called and they said as long they don't wobble or move in and out it won't be a safety issue or an accuracy issue.

But still, that don't settle with me.

Just take note that I bought these bullets way before I joined this forum !
I was just interested in other users.

Re: Accuracy from Barnes

PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:14 pm
by jv
Looks like to me if the bullet would spin in the case then it wouldn't have a good seal and loose some pressure when fired.. :2c:

Re: Accuracy from Barnes

PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:46 pm
by White Oak 06
True and moisture

Re: Accuracy from Barnes

PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:26 pm
by stickers
Not that I was planning on it, but I dont think I will be buying any Barnes factory loads. One thing is that they are correct in it not having an affect on accuracy as long as your COL (Cartridge OveraLL Length) doesnt change. As far as pressure it will not change cause if they all spin then your neck tension will be relatively the same . Still I wouldnt like it, but I wouldnt have a problem using them up either if they shoot well. I just wouldnt buy anymore.

Just curious though. Is there a Barnes stamp on the head of the cartridge ? Like I said, I cant say that I have ever even laid eyes on a factory load. I was wondering if they are using their own brass .

Re: Accuracy from Barnes

PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:31 pm
by gtk
i watched the video, and read several links about the issue of the bullets "spinning". From what I read, all of the issues were with reloaders, not factory ammo.

Personally, I wouldn't worry about it unless it happened. There have been waaaay too many barnes bullets sold & reloaded, yet this issue has only surfaced on a couple of site... % wise I bets the occurrence is < .0001%

Perhaps a bad run at the factory? MOre than likely something not 100% right with those reloader's equipment ;)

Re: Accuracy from Barnes

PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:11 pm
by White Oak 06
Two lots from the factory in 708 spin , all of them.
3006 are tight except a couple and 270 win. is just a couple.

I don't want to use them.
Any suggestions for 708 and 3006 for shoulder shots with an exit from 100 to 200 yards ?

Re: Accuracy from Barnes

PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 6:40 pm
by stickers
White Oak 06 wrote:Two lots from the factory in 708 spin , all of them.
3006 are tight except a couple and 270 win. is just a couple.

I don't want to use them.
Any suggestions for 708 and 3006 for shoulder shots with an exit from 100 to 200 yards ?



Maybe you should just shoot them and see what happens

Re: Accuracy from Barnes

PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 7:25 am
by gtk
White Oak 06 wrote:Two lots from the factory in 708 spin , all of them.
3006 are tight except a couple and 270 win. is just a couple.

I don't want to use them.
Any suggestions for 708 and 3006 for shoulder shots with an exit from 100 to 200 yards ?

That's odd for sure..

I would call barnes, and they will probably ask for the lot# and tell you to destroy them, then send you a refund check...

Re: Accuracy from Barnes

PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 7:51 am
by White Oak 06
Stickers, their name is stamped on the rim.

I bought them at the sportsman warehouse in Southaven ms

Re: Accuracy from Barnes

PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 7:53 am
by White Oak 06
Gtk when I called they said if I had problems that they would need to check them out

Re: Accuracy from Barnes

PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2014 11:57 am
by stickers
White Oak 06 wrote:Stickers, their name is stamped on the rim.

I bought them at the sportsman warehouse in Southaven ms



Probably using cheap Remmy brass since they were bought out by Remington(Cerberus Capital) . Hope this isnt a sign of things to come with Barnes, but I am afraid it might be :livid: Seems as if everything Remington (Cerberus) touches or is involved with has turned to junk. I hope they dont try to start cutting corners with their actual bullets.

Re: Accuracy from Barnes

PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2014 4:11 pm
by White Oak 06
Hey Stickers, when I started deer hunting I bought some 308 win. they were all seated differently .

This year I bought some remmys in cor lokt at Walmart , dings on the bullet. At Sportsmans warehouse this week, dings on the bullet and now this Barnes issue.

So far federal , nosler and Hornady are looking good.

I'm gonna hunt with accubond in 708 and interlocks from Hornady in 3006 this year , hopefully we can thump some shoulders , turn it to jelly and leave some blood.

Man ! I do like them roll ups

Re: Accuracy from Barnes

PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2014 7:34 am
by stickers
Makes me glad I handload everything now. Good luck.

Re: Accuracy from Barnes

PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2014 11:46 am
by terry08
Heck, it can't be no worse than pouring powder, shoving a patch & round ball down the barrel of a smoke pole & then pouring powder in the flash pan.