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Weatherby Vanguard

PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:35 am
by gtk
Opinions on the weatherby vanguard ? .270

Re: Weatherby Vanguard

PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:22 pm
by White Oak 06
Gtk , I have the vanguard s2 in 3006 and I like it.
They are Howa rifles and it's like having the 700 and mod. 70 in one.
They are very accurate and they shoulder very comfortably, they are heavy though,
and recoil with mine is like shooting a 308 . The triggers come from the factory tuned to around 2 to 3 lbs.
The Fed.150 gr power shoks were touching each other at 100 yards after 5 shots when the barrel started building up a little copper.
The first two shots were 1 inch apart with a cold clean barrel in 50 * Temps.

I bought my son a vanguard youth in 7mm08 and accuracy was the same with Nosler 120s and 140 gr accubond bullets.

Seieral # s that start with VB are sub moa rifles.

When the barrel heats up ,poi will shift up about an inch ,but it is still good on windage. When the barrel cools it's right back on the money where it was sighted in .

Re: Weatherby Vanguard

PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:56 pm
by patinlouisiana
gtk, I just acquired a .257 WBY Mag. Vanguard Series 2.
I have only been out with it about three time but I'm impresses so far as I am breaking it in it get tighter and tighter. The last outing almost all were sub MOA except the 120 Gr. Partition. The 100 Gr. Spitzer were the best so far.

Re: Weatherby Vanguard

PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:07 pm
by gtk
I'm thinking of upgrading my sons axis


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Re: Weatherby Vanguard

PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 8:56 am
by stickers
Good guns but I dont like the triggers on them. I have a Mark V 257 Wby but had to do away with the factory trigger. Same goes for my 30-378. Just too much creep in them for my liking. Personally, I would keep the Savage.

Re: Weatherby Vanguard

PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 11:38 am
by leepurvis
I'll save Bullie the typing time:

While a .270 may be fine for smaller critters such as mole crickets, and marginal on those at best, it is in no way suitable for the hunting of larger game, such as the squirrel (the true king of the forest). It is definitely lacking when it comes to hunting the wood mules that some of y'all spend so much time chasing, if you call sitting on your behind for numerous hours a day "chasing".

How'd I do?

:D

I've heard good things about them but haven't personally owned or shot one. I looked at them, Tikka, and Savage when I was looking for a rifle for my son. Wound up with the Savage 111 but honestly it was more of a price and availability issue rather than a conscious decision to buy the Savage over the other two.

Re: Weatherby Vanguard

PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:14 pm
by gtk
bullie don't know squat about rifles..

i have no complaints about his axis.. I saw a weatherby vanguard someone had at a decent price and just got to wondering.. ya know, a feller cant ever have to many guns ;)

Re: Weatherby Vanguard

PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 10:09 am
by terry08
I by no means am an expert on the 270, heck the axis, is my first one to own. All I can say if something was to happen to it, I would run to buy another one. Six deer with six shots all dead center heart out to 200 yds. Plus one Jeremy, got with it also one shot. It may be a cheaper price rifle, but doesn't give an inch as far as accuracy is concerned.

Re: Weatherby Vanguard

PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 10:37 am
by patinlouisiana
Food for thought.
Here are various cartridge's down range energy at 300 yards.
All are quite adequate for dispatching whitetail deer.

25-06 Fed Prem: 100gr. 1,380 ft lbs
25-06 Fed Prem: 117gr, 1,465 ft lbs
.257 Wby Mag: 115gr, 2,154 ft lbs
.257 Wby Mag: 120gr, 1,760 ft lbs
.270 Fed Prem: 130gr. 1,680 ft lbs
.270 Fed. Prem.: 150gr, 1,760 ft lbs
30-06 Fed Prem: 150gr, 1,710 ft lbs
30-06 Fed. Prem: 180gr, 1,975 ft lbs

Just my two cents worth

Re: Weatherby Vanguard

PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 6:07 am
by terry08
Pat, I am totally happy with those ballistics. The Axis is very light due in part to the cheap plastic stock. But with very little recoil, so little that I fired thirty rounds through it looking for the round it liked best, with no shoulder pain at all.
I am ordering a Boyds laminate stock for it and if the weight changes to much, I can revert back.

Re: Weatherby Vanguard

PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 8:07 am
by patinlouisiana
Terry I have always thought that the muzzle energy reflected the felt recoil but now that I am shooting this .257 Wby. Mag. I have to rethink my what is going on to include the weight of the weapon. I have not actually compared the weight of my Encore to the Weatherby's weight but my guess is the bolt action is heavier just because it has more parts then the break barrel. Anyway I was surprised that the .257 kicked less than the 30-06 even though it has slightly more muzzle energy.
Just rambling here

Re: Weatherby Vanguard

PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 8:11 am
by patinlouisiana
stickers wrote:Good guns but I dont like the triggers on them. I have a Mark V 257 Wby but had to do away with the factory trigger. Same goes for my 30-378. Just too much creep in them for my liking. Personally, I would keep the Savage.

stickers, how old is your Mark V?
My series 2 Vanguard has a fine adjustable trigger.
Perhaps your's is the older style?

Re: Weatherby Vanguard

PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 8:29 am
by stickers
patinlouisiana wrote:
stickers wrote:Good guns but I dont like the triggers on them. I have a Mark V 257 Wby but had to do away with the factory trigger. Same goes for my 30-378. Just too much creep in them for my liking. Personally, I would keep the Savage.

stickers, how old is your Mark V?
My series 2 Vanguard has a fine adjustable trigger.
Perhaps your's is the older style?


About 20 years for the 257 and about a year for my 30-378. Both had an adjustable trigger but it just would not come down to what I like. Also had a lot of creep imo. I cut the spring on the 257 trying to adjust it more and ended up cutting too much. Finally, after research, I put an aftermarket trigger assembly on it. Now it is a perfect crisp 2 lb pull. I put a new trigger on the 30-378 before I even fired the first shot. I knew it was bad when I bought it. But my gunsmith told me pretty much all Weatherbys will not adjust below 4lbs and have a lot of creep.

Re: Weatherby Vanguard

PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 8:32 am
by stickers
patinlouisiana wrote:Food for thought.
Here are various cartridge's down range energy at 300 yards.
All are quite adequate for dispatching whitetail deer.

25-06 Fed Prem: 100gr. 1,380 ft lbs
25-06 Fed Prem: 117gr, 1,465 ft lbs
.257 Wby Mag: 115gr, 2,154 ft lbs
.257 Wby Mag: 120gr, 1,760 ft lbs
.270 Fed Prem: 130gr. 1,680 ft lbs
.270 Fed. Prem.: 150gr, 1,760 ft lbs
30-06 Fed Prem: 150gr, 1,710 ft lbs
30-06 Fed. Prem: 180gr, 1,975 ft lbs

Just my two cents worth



They must have that 115g 257Wby. absolutely cooking to have more energy than the 120s :shock: .

Re: Weatherby Vanguard

PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 10:03 am
by patinlouisiana
it averaged 3,505 fps on my chrony.
The 120 gr avg was 3,243

Re: Weatherby Vanguard

PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 11:43 am
by stickers
patinlouisiana wrote:it averaged 3,505 fps on my chrony.
The 120 gr avg was 3,243



That would be cooking for a 115g :shock: :shock: . I handload 100g Barnes TSXs for mine and they are loaded as hot as I feel comfortable without losing any accuracy and they averaged right at 3500.

Re: Weatherby Vanguard

PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 11:46 am
by patinlouisiana
Those numbers are factory loads. I have not started hand loading yet but thinking about it :-)


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Re: Weatherby Vanguard

PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 9:05 am
by stickers
patinlouisiana wrote:Those numbers are factory loads. I have not started hand loading yet but thinking about it :-)


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That would be in your best interest. I wouldnt own a Weatherby Mag caliber if I didnt. Been 20 years since I bought any Weatherby factory ammo. Thought about it when I bought the 30-378 until I saw they were about $160 for a box of 20 loaded with Noslers :shock: . But the brass still cost me about $3.50/ea.

Re: Weatherby Vanguard

PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 9:14 pm
by patinlouisiana
I am saving all the brass i shoot ;-)