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Postby BIGERN76 » Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:23 am

I traded a fellow out of this CVA woodsman. I have been wanting a Hawkins style rifle and this just worked out just right for me. I will be shooting loose pyrodex and patched round balls without a scope. I looked up some old threads about cleaning but still had a couple questions.
Where do you get the ammo?
Do you buy patches or just use an old shirt or something?
Do you lube those patches (seems like I remember reading someone using olive oil)?
Is there anything special needed to clean the part between the nipple and the barrel?
Im sure there will be more questions to come. Im trying to get it ready to hunt before the season in over.

Thanks,
Ernie 8)
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Re: Need some info

Postby jbullard1 » Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:28 am

Well congratulations on the muzzleloader.
What caliber is it.
I cast my on roundballs, use olive oil as a patch lube and pillow ticking for patches. You do not want to use any patching that has nylon or other plastic in the material.
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Re: Need some info

Postby BIGERN76 » Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:32 am

Its a .50 cal. I have some cotton patches from walmart that I use for cleaning. I don't know if the patches have to be a certain thickness or not. I have seen a guy on tv just cut pieces off of some cloth. So I do need to lube the patches??
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Re: Need some info

Postby jbullard1 » Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:47 am

The patches need to be thick enough to grip the ball tight in the rifling, and they need to be lubed, I use olive oil, you dont want to use a petroleum based lube for shooting stick with vegetable or animal lubes .
I use an old toothbrush to clean the tight areas, you will need a nipple wrench to take it out for cleaning.
CAbelas has roundballs you will probably need .490
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Re: Need some info

Postby BIGERN76 » Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:53 am

Thanks for the info JB. I didn't know if I was going to need anything special or not. I was hoping I could get the roundballs at walmart or something. I will try a place in town and if I can't get them I'll order some from cabelas.
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Postby quigleysharps4570 » Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:31 am

Back in the material department at Wal-Mart you'll find the pillow ticking. Blue stripe is a shade thicker than the brown stripe or red stripe. Have them cut you off a little of each and see what your rifle likes. Might get you a ball starter too if you don't already have one. That clean-out screw there on the side of the drum needs taken out and some teflon tape put on it to make it easier getting out after you've done some shooting. I clean out that area on my Lyman with pipe cleaners. Then before you load it for then next outting...clean everything out...barrel, nipple and drum with alcohol. Eliminates any chances of a mis-fire. ;)
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Re: Need some info

Postby BIGERN76 » Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:38 am

Do I need to pull the drum out for cleaning? I can see toolmarks where it was done before so I wasn't sure. Also wondering if I need to remove the stock when cleaning to keep the chemicals from getting on the wood?

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Re: Need some info

Postby quigleysharps4570 » Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:49 am

Leave the drum alone...just pull the screw. As for cleaning it's handier if you take the barrel off...just take that wedge pin out and pull up. Set the breech end in a bucket of soapy water and go to pumping with the cleaning rod with patch and jag on it.
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Re: Need some info

Postby jbullard1 » Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:58 am

Take the ramrod out before trying to get the barrel off. They can be broken..
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Postby quigleysharps4570 » Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:01 pm

Glad you thru that in JB. ;)
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Re: Need some info

Postby BIGERN76 » Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:17 pm

Speaking of that, I have to get a new ramrod anyway. The guy pushed a bullet down with out any powder and had to pull it. He clamped some vise grips on it and use a hammer to pull it up. Anyone know a good place to get one?
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Re: Need some info

Postby quigleysharps4570 » Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:23 pm

I'd have to root around and find out where I ordered a couple of mine from...the one for the Lyman GPR is solid brass and the one for my little flintlock longrifle is wood with a steel core. My memory is going to hell on me. :)
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Re: Need some info

Postby patinlouisiana » Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:25 pm

Someone mentioned the screw in the side. I never noticed if my .54 T/C Hawkin has that.
I'll have to look.
Early in the season Wally World had .490 balls but I think they are switching to fishing gear now.
They also had pre lubed patches.
I just use hot water and liquid dishwashing soap to clean mine but I shoot 100 Gr. ffg black powder.
Not sure about Pyradex.
My bbl likes a tight fit so I use Speer .535 balls instead of .530
You have to make that first shot count with mine. You cannot reload it without swabbing the burnt powder out of barrel.
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Postby jbullard1 » Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:57 pm

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Your TC does not have the drum or screw
They have a patent breech system
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Re: Need some info

Postby jv » Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:48 pm

Ernie, looks like you got a good deal it seems to be in good shape....do as the others say and you should be alright.

I use the .490 round balls and i use a old 100% cotton t-shirt for a patch in my t/c m/loader and use a commerical patch lube or olive oil...most walmart don't handle anything for the old type m/loaders any more but most of the time a good hunting goods store will stock some.

Several years ago i took the old iron sights off mine and put a red dot sight on it.....eye sight not like it once was. lol.
I clean mine with dawn and hot water (don't be scared to use the soap) then use clean water, after it's cleaned good and dry i us bore butter to season the barrell with.
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Re: Need some info

Postby schoolmarm » Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:00 pm

Ernie, don't be over here smokin' up the woods. If you do I'll break out the cannon..
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Re: Need some info

Postby patinlouisiana » Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:42 pm

jbullard1 wrote:Pat
Your TC does not have the drum or screw
They have a patent breech system

I see it has a small perhaps 10-32 screw but I have never removed it.
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Re: Need some info

Postby BIGERN76 » Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:26 pm

I like those sights pat. The ones on my gun are both blued and pretty hard to see. Prolly be a pain in the neck in low light.

School, you know you can't say nothin about somebody smokin up the woods. Especially after the cannon. :rotflol: :rotflol:
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Re: Need some info

Postby Ironwood » Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:24 pm

Welcome to the wonderful world of muzzleloading. You have to be careful because that black powder smoke is very addictive. :lol:

Here's a site that will give you some of the basic stuff about muzzleloading. It'll also give you and idea of some of the equipment you will eventually want to get.
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/learning/hu ... ndex.phtml

If you do buy pillow ticking be sure to get the kind with the blue and white threads. Don't get the pillow ticking with the printed stripes. Wash and dry the pillow ticking before cutting about 1-1/4" patches. I have just left them square but I had rather cut them round.

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Re: Need some info

Postby BIGERN76 » Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:55 pm

Ironwood wrote:If you do buy pillow ticking be sure to get the kind with the blue and white threads. Don't get the pillow ticking with the printed stripes. Wash and dry the pillow ticking before cutting about 1-1/4" patches. I have just left them square but I had rather cut them round.

So yall don't advise using the cotton patches? I have a ton of them that I use to clean my guns with but will get the pillow ticking if that is best. I have loved shooting a muzzle loader ever since I got my first inline and have wanted to get one like this for a while. I just never knew how much they cost. Just a kit was more than I paid for my 35 whelen. I know I am going to hunt with this gun but I also think it will become a mild hobby. I honestly just love to shoot. :D
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Re: Need some info

Postby Ironwood » Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:34 pm

You can use almost any cotton or linen cloth as patch material. The reason we suggest pillow ticking, it has a good tight weave and about the right thickness. .015" or .018" sometimes works the best. Denim from old jeans works pretty good also. I take my dial calipers to the fabric center to check the thickness of the pillow ticking. A yard of pillow ticking will make a bunch of patches.

Your patch material needs to be thick enough to engrave the ball. (Cotton is actually harder
than lead)

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You can check the fired patch to see what it looks like. If it's burned through that usually means it's to thin. The fired patch should be out there about 10 to 15 feet in front of the muzzle. It will probably be a little to one side or the other. It comes out spinning. :) The lands of a new barrel will sometimes cut the patch. It will come out looking like a wadded up mess. :) Shooting will usually smooth those lands out. A few passes of 0000 steel wool with do it faster.
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Re: Need some info

Postby BIGERN76 » Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:11 pm

Thanks for all the info yall. Hopefully I can get my stuff together and fire a couple shots this week. I am really wanting to get a deer with it this year. Yea I know, I don't ask for much. :W:
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Re: Need some info

Postby patinlouisiana » Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:30 pm

Some of my "perfectionist" shootn buddies insist you start the patched ball half way and trim the patch around the ball with your skinnin knife before ramming it home. Too much trouble in my opinion.
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Re: Need some info

Postby jv » Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:47 pm

patinlouisiana wrote:Some of my "perfectionist" shootn buddies insist you start the patched ball half way and trim the patch around the ball with your skinnin knife before ramming it home. Too much trouble in my opinion.


Pat i do the same as long it's not for a hurry up second shot....it is a little trouble and don't know it it makes a difference or not. just something i have always done.
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