Ironwood wrote:Fire Cloud, I've probably been taking photos longer than you been living.... from what I've seen of your photography you don't really know what it's all about. If you would do a little studying about photography you might improve...
Had I taken that photo at 1/1000th all action would have been frozen but you wouldn't have been able to see it because it would be totally underexposed...
Ironwood, you are absolutely correct when you say studying will help a photographer improve. Which is why I spent years learning photography from my father, who started as an amateur photographer and in his later years did professional photography work, including selling and exhibiting his photos in competitions.
It's also why I took several professionally taught photography courses in my early 20's and learned to do my own darkroom work. I have continued to study for the more than 40 years of my own photography activity and have shot countless thousands of photos during that time using some very good, professional quality equipment. Last year, for example, I took well over 5,000 photos.
But of course, my professional coursework in photography, my one on one tutoring for countless hours by a professional photographer, and my four decades of practical application shooting tens of thousands of photos in that time certainly would NOT give me anything like the amazing photography skills you possess. I can see why a world class expert like yourself would truly look at me with disdain and say to me "you don't really know what it is all about" when it comes to photography. I believe you when you say you have been shooting photos longer than the 58 years I have been alive. So it makes sense for you to tell me to "go study" and just maybe "you might improve." Coming from you, I know this is the advice I have been missing to help me learn something about photography so that I too can one day perhaps gain a miniscule level of the skills you have. Thank you so much for helping steer me in the right direction with your heartfelt assessment of my skills.
And since I was not there when you took your photos, you are also correct once again when you say I don't know what is possible to do when taking shots of goldfinches in flight. If you say that using a higher shutter speed would have yielded a photo "that you would not be able to see" due to underexposure, then because you possess such incredible photo skills, who am I to offer a "second opinion" about how to take the photo? Forgive me for doing so. I am just someone who does not know what it is all about, as you have made clear to all the readers on this forum.
Taking a photo of a goldfinch in flight and freezing the action is so incredibly hard to do that I am quite sure your blurry winged photo where you don't even see the head of the bird is absolutely impossible to beat. But because you have inspired me to "study more about photography" I googled the topic "goldfinches in flight photos" and got back endless pages of hits where other professional photographers and some amateur photographers have posted for the entire world to see their meager attempts to duplicate your fantastic results.
I found dozens upon dozens of shots of goldfinches in flight with almost all of them technically superior in clarity and composition than your photo. Here is one photo, out of many, that shows a male goldfinch in flight with considerably less blur than your photo. It was taken by Graham Owen and is displayed at "grahamowengallery.com."
So, as an unskilled photographer myself, I am left to ponder how could anyone produce a shot of a goldfinch in flight with clear wings, all of the body visible, and properly exposed? Since you say any higher shutter speed would indeed freeze the wing movements but would leave the photo too dark to see, pray tell how are dozens upon dozens of other photographers achieving this impossible shot? Surely none of them used a higher shutter speed setting like I suggested!! Heaven forbid that they might not follow your "one true path" to photo success with flying goldfinches!
Since I know your ability is second to none, the only logical answer to how others are posting clearer, more well defined, and better composed photos of flying goldfinches than yours is that all these photos on the internet must be photoshopped fakes. Yeah, that has to be the answer because there certainly would not be anyone out there daring to set up the photo equipment differently, (say closer to the birds instead of using a zoom lens,) using different cameras, lenses, filters, tripods, and remote shutter devices, and trying different settings in order to produce even better results than you did. Nope, that just could not happen, I know. Has to be photoshop because your photos are the best!!
Keep up the good work and have a nice day!