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Jump to the lands or touch the lands
What is best with these seating depths ?
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Re: Jump to the lands or touch the lands
Rifles are differetn.. My ruger 300 wsm needs to be just a thousanths or so off the lands.. my 270 is further off.. its something you will just have to test with your rifle, or do like I did, research what others who are shooting the same kind/caliber/make of rifle, & see what theirs like best..
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Re: Jump to the lands or touch the lands
10 4 ,
How is powder and accuracy fit together and primers
I researched the imr4046 and it seems to be a versitile powder that's considered a magnum powder.
I have noticed a difference in recoil compared to the ammo that shoots good and not so good , is this a powder thing ?
The good stuff shoots smooth !
or I'm I imagining things !
How is powder and accuracy fit together and primers
I researched the imr4046 and it seems to be a versitile powder that's considered a magnum powder.
I have noticed a difference in recoil compared to the ammo that shoots good and not so good , is this a powder thing ?
The good stuff shoots smooth !
or I'm I imagining things !
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Re: Jump to the lands or touch the lands
I use IMR 4064 in my 30-06 bullet seated .050 from lands
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Re: Jump to the lands or touch the lands
Every gun is different as far as COAL goes.
The gun itself is the most important part of accuracy followed by the bullet.
The first powder I would buy would be either one of the 4350s. I know people who use this solely for multitude of calibers.
I probably have 30 different caliber rifles I handload for and use either of the 4350s or Re15 for 80% of them. Even though I have multitudes of powders(and have tried a bunch).
Keep it simple at first.
The gun itself is the most important part of accuracy followed by the bullet.
The first powder I would buy would be either one of the 4350s. I know people who use this solely for multitude of calibers.
I probably have 30 different caliber rifles I handload for and use either of the 4350s or Re15 for 80% of them. Even though I have multitudes of powders(and have tried a bunch).
Keep it simple at first.
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Re: Jump to the lands or touch the lands
Notice this post was last month, but you might still be interested.
Powder is rated according to it's burning rate & IMR 4064 is considered a medium/fast burning powder, which is good for lighter bullets (150 gr & less in 30.06). It's not slow enough to really be considered a magnum powder. I used it in reloading 75 grain bullets in my .243, when shooting groundhogs in Kentucky.
IMR 4350 is more of a fast burning powder for heavier bullets (165 grain or more in 30.06). I have used the slower burning IMR 4350 in my 30.06 165 grain bullets for years & get excellent results in velocity & accuracy.
Remember there is IMR 4350 & Hodgdon 4350 & they do not use the same load data! I have also used the even slower burning H4831 but get better results on my chronograph with IMR 4350 (30.06). Rifles & cartridges are different & I get better results with H4831 in my .270 reloading 130 grain bullets.
It's a lot of fun!
Powder is rated according to it's burning rate & IMR 4064 is considered a medium/fast burning powder, which is good for lighter bullets (150 gr & less in 30.06). It's not slow enough to really be considered a magnum powder. I used it in reloading 75 grain bullets in my .243, when shooting groundhogs in Kentucky.
IMR 4350 is more of a fast burning powder for heavier bullets (165 grain or more in 30.06). I have used the slower burning IMR 4350 in my 30.06 165 grain bullets for years & get excellent results in velocity & accuracy.
Remember there is IMR 4350 & Hodgdon 4350 & they do not use the same load data! I have also used the even slower burning H4831 but get better results on my chronograph with IMR 4350 (30.06). Rifles & cartridges are different & I get better results with H4831 in my .270 reloading 130 grain bullets.
It's a lot of fun!
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Re: Jump to the lands or touch the lands
Thanks for the info !
I bought a speer and nosler manual , in the speer , they test in 22" barrels , is this a concern when I start at the minimum with a 24" barrel ?
I bought a speer and nosler manual , in the speer , they test in 22" barrels , is this a concern when I start at the minimum with a 24" barrel ?
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Re: Jump to the lands or touch the lands
Not really. 2" is not going to make that much of a difference.
You have good manuals. I have used Speer for years & added the Nosler & Hornady recently.
I always begin with a moderate load & work up, checking for primer flatness & case bulge on fired rounds, especially before I got the Chronograph. I have found my most accurate loads to be several grains below the maximum in just about every caliber. Makes cases & rifle barrels last longer too!
You have good manuals. I have used Speer for years & added the Nosler & Hornady recently.
I always begin with a moderate load & work up, checking for primer flatness & case bulge on fired rounds, especially before I got the Chronograph. I have found my most accurate loads to be several grains below the maximum in just about every caliber. Makes cases & rifle barrels last longer too!
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Re: Jump to the lands or touch the lands
Thanks , how close were you to their published data in velocity with your 3006 ?
I'm not reloading yet , I'm doing a lot of studying.
When you run out of supplies like powder , brass and bullets , does this mean you have to start from ground zero and work back up ?
I'm not reloading yet , I'm doing a lot of studying.
When you run out of supplies like powder , brass and bullets , does this mean you have to start from ground zero and work back up ?
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Re: Jump to the lands or touch the lands
My velocities have run pretty close to the same as published velocities for the grains used. Manuals max out because of excessive pressure & is one reason I stay short of their very maximum.
The only time you have to start over is if you change to some other type of component completely. Like in 30.06, I generally stay with the same type powder & primers. If I change the bullet I try to stay with the same weight & sometimes touch the load up/down a little for better accuracy. One pound of powder will last a hunter a long time. The next pound you buy will be a different lot number but I've not noticed any difference through the years.
Some reloaders use only one brand of brass, but I have always used mixed since I try to pick up range brass. I get very good accuracy for hunting & do not shoot in any matches or competitions. During this shortage craze I have had to purchase some pistol brass & bought once-fired. It is much cheaper than new.
Last year I reloaded for a friend who shoots .300 Win Mag & had to purchase some new brass. Boy! Glad I don't have to do that often.
The only time you have to start over is if you change to some other type of component completely. Like in 30.06, I generally stay with the same type powder & primers. If I change the bullet I try to stay with the same weight & sometimes touch the load up/down a little for better accuracy. One pound of powder will last a hunter a long time. The next pound you buy will be a different lot number but I've not noticed any difference through the years.
Some reloaders use only one brand of brass, but I have always used mixed since I try to pick up range brass. I get very good accuracy for hunting & do not shoot in any matches or competitions. During this shortage craze I have had to purchase some pistol brass & bought once-fired. It is much cheaper than new.
Last year I reloaded for a friend who shoots .300 Win Mag & had to purchase some new brass. Boy! Glad I don't have to do that often.
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Re: Jump to the lands or touch the lands
Thanks Erle, do you hunt deer with your loads and what bullets do you use ?
What are some of your yardage ?
What kind of exits and blood trails ?
Sorry for the detailed questions , everybody seems to be hung up on speed or trying to match factory velocities .
I'm beginning to think modest speeds do better in bullet performance !
What are some of your yardage ?
What kind of exits and blood trails ?
Sorry for the detailed questions , everybody seems to be hung up on speed or trying to match factory velocities .
I'm beginning to think modest speeds do better in bullet performance !
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Re: Jump to the lands or touch the lands
When you say you begin with moderate loads ,are you starting in the middle ?
Well Nosler gives three , speer and Lyman give two .
Well Nosler gives three , speer and Lyman give two .
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Re: Jump to the lands or touch the lands
Thought I sent a post last night. Don't know what happened to that post.
I deer hunt now a lot with my 3 Grandsons. Back when we did a lot of woods hunting & ran with dogs, I reloaded 30.06 with 180gr, either core-loc or nosler partition. When began hunting over food plots I switched to 165gr Nosler partition. Shots are usually 100yds or less & I can usually get a good neck shot & they drop right there. Many new bullets are available today but you can't beat the Nosler partition.
Loaded some this past year with Barnes TTSX & Grandson made a 250yd shot. Broke both front shoulders (in one & lodged in other). That deer still ran about 50yds before it fell dead. Good thing because no exit & very little blood trail.
For years I always started with the low recommended load & worked up. After years of doing this, I noticed that whatever the caliber, bullet or powder used, I always ended up somewhere just a little lower that the highest load recommendation. So, I started beginning somewhere in the middle & worked up. Saved me a lot of time since I use standard rifles & calibers.
When I got the Chronograph I noticed that my trusted loads were always short of the maximum velocity. That's OK with me because I had them loaded for the best accuracy in my rifles (glass bedded actions & free-floated barrels). Don't think it's going to make much difference to the deer if you hit him with 2700fps or 2800fps! Main thing is to hit him in a vital spot.
I deer hunt now a lot with my 3 Grandsons. Back when we did a lot of woods hunting & ran with dogs, I reloaded 30.06 with 180gr, either core-loc or nosler partition. When began hunting over food plots I switched to 165gr Nosler partition. Shots are usually 100yds or less & I can usually get a good neck shot & they drop right there. Many new bullets are available today but you can't beat the Nosler partition.
Loaded some this past year with Barnes TTSX & Grandson made a 250yd shot. Broke both front shoulders (in one & lodged in other). That deer still ran about 50yds before it fell dead. Good thing because no exit & very little blood trail.
For years I always started with the low recommended load & worked up. After years of doing this, I noticed that whatever the caliber, bullet or powder used, I always ended up somewhere just a little lower that the highest load recommendation. So, I started beginning somewhere in the middle & worked up. Saved me a lot of time since I use standard rifles & calibers.
When I got the Chronograph I noticed that my trusted loads were always short of the maximum velocity. That's OK with me because I had them loaded for the best accuracy in my rifles (glass bedded actions & free-floated barrels). Don't think it's going to make much difference to the deer if you hit him with 2700fps or 2800fps! Main thing is to hit him in a vital spot.
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Re: Jump to the lands or touch the lands
Thanks Erle,
Are your hand loads for cold temps ?
The further a bullet is seated , will there be more pressure ?
Are your hand loads for cold temps ?
The further a bullet is seated , will there be more pressure ?
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Re: Jump to the lands or touch the lands
erle wrote: Don't think it's going to make much difference to the deer if you hit him with 2700fps or 2800fps! Main thing is to hit him in a vital spot.
That right there is about the most truefull statements made.
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Re: Jump to the lands or touch the lands
I never have paid much attention to temp since here in Miss. we don't have that extreme cold.
Since most of my reloads will be shot in several guns, I seat most bullets to the recommended oal The only cartridge I seat the bullet just off the lands on is my personal .270. I understand that if touching the lands you might get a little higher initial pressure. I have not noticed any increased pressure seating just short of the lands.
I would recommend starting off seating to the recommended o.a.l. I also suggest just a slight crimp. I use a Lee Factory Crimp Die. Know some who never crimp & don't seem to have any problems. I just feel better with a slight crimp. Too much crimp WILL increase pressure.
Since most of my reloads will be shot in several guns, I seat most bullets to the recommended oal The only cartridge I seat the bullet just off the lands on is my personal .270. I understand that if touching the lands you might get a little higher initial pressure. I have not noticed any increased pressure seating just short of the lands.
I would recommend starting off seating to the recommended o.a.l. I also suggest just a slight crimp. I use a Lee Factory Crimp Die. Know some who never crimp & don't seem to have any problems. I just feel better with a slight crimp. Too much crimp WILL increase pressure.
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Re: Jump to the lands or touch the lands
Thanks again Erle for sharing your knowledge of reloading and to everyone else on this forum.
One last question until I get my hands in it.
What are your groups at 100 yards and since your velocities are under factory and published data , is the recoil a little milder ?
I have only shot 150 gr through my 3006 , it's around 8 + lbs, so it really ain't that bad to manage the recoil while staying on target with that velocity and lighter bullet.
One last question until I get my hands in it.
What are your groups at 100 yards and since your velocities are under factory and published data , is the recoil a little milder ?
I have only shot 150 gr through my 3006 , it's around 8 + lbs, so it really ain't that bad to manage the recoil while staying on target with that velocity and lighter bullet.
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Re: Jump to the lands or touch the lands
OK , one more question , have you used the chronograph on a factory load and what was the velocity ?
Thanks !!!!
Thanks !!!!
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Re: Jump to the lands or touch the lands
By tweaking & tuning, I get 1" groups at 100yds with all of my rifles except 1. That's my Sako .243 & I get 3/4" groups. Using a lead-sled eliminates felt recoil at the range & I never have noticed recoil when shooting at a deer.
I've reloaded so long I can't even remember when I shot any factory ammo. Only reloads through the chronograph.
Will be gone for next few days. Maybe you will have your equipment when I return.
I've reloaded so long I can't even remember when I shot any factory ammo. Only reloads through the chronograph.
Will be gone for next few days. Maybe you will have your equipment when I return.
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Re: Jump to the lands or touch the lands
10-4 over and out !
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